Hi All,
the following query was raised by a colleague today and I'm not sure of the answer and wondered does any practice provide iron infusions or know of clinical reasons why not? I seem to remember anaphylaxis risk might be high...
"I've been meaning to ask for a while. Do any of the Centric practices do Iron tranfusions? It would be such a helpful service for many of our women and pregnant patients and simple enough to set up and administer (I'm just not sure about insurance). There certainly is a 'gap' in the market for it. I know a few GP practices in the UK have a service and certainly many in South Africa too."
Many thanks for any input!
Jean
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Hi
A few things come to mind.
On 21 Sep 2022, at 17:43, Jean Gallagher jgallagher@ranelaghmedical.ie wrote:
Hi All,
the following query was raised by a colleague today and I'm not sure of the answer and wondered does any practice provide iron infusions or know of clinical reasons why not? I seem to remember anaphylaxis risk might be high...
"I've been meaning to ask for a while. Do any of the Centric practices do Iron tranfusions? It would be such a helpful service for many of our women and pregnant patients and simple enough to set up and administer (I'm just not sure about insurance). There certainly is a 'gap' in the market for it. I know a few GP practices in the UK have a service and certainly many in South Africa too."
Many thanks for any input!
Jean
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Hi Jean
I don’t know of any GP practices administering monofer/venofer in the UK or Ireland. As you say certainly many clinical indications and suitable for administration in a treatment room setting. However, it does come with a significant risk of cardiac side effects; chest tightness, tachycardia, sweating, “impending sense of doom”. As far as I know these subside when slowing/stopping infusion but can take some time and scare the c*%p out of the patient (and sometimes the doctor!) And just because the patient didn't have any side effects the last time doesn’t mean they won’t experience it this time etc. It would involve heavy clinical monitoring so maybe more suitable for the large well-equipped practice with back up?
One for centric specialist clinic maybe?
Karen
From: Jean Gallagher jgallagher@ranelaghmedical.ie
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Subject: Centric GP Forum Query re iron infusions?
Hi All,
the following query was raised by a colleague today and I'm not sure of the answer and wondered does any practice provide iron infusions or know of clinical reasons why not? I seem to remember anaphylaxis risk might be high...
"I've been meaning to ask for a while. Do any of the Centric practices do Iron tranfusions? It would be such a helpful service for many of our women and pregnant patients and simple enough to set up and administer (I'm just not sure about insurance). There certainly is a 'gap' in the market for it. I know a few GP practices in the UK have a service and certainly many in South Africa too."
Many thanks for any input!
Jean
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Personally I’m happy to give IM iron for those who need it.
More to the point, and a much under rated therapeutic tool is IV lignocaine
for chronic pain such as FM or intractable neuropathic pain. And it’s a
bugger to find a vein in those patients.
Sometimes I use my nurse. She’s from Cavan.
Alan
On Wed 21 Sep 2022 at 19:26, Kandan nasilemak1978@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
A few things come to mind.
On 21 Sep 2022, at 17:43, Jean Gallagher jgallagher@ranelaghmedical.ie
wrote:
Hi All,
the following query was raised by a colleague today and I'm not sure of
the answer and wondered does any practice provide iron infusions or know of
clinical reasons why not? I seem to remember anaphylaxis risk might be
high...
"I've been meaning to ask for a while. Do any of the Centric practices do
Iron tranfusions? It would be such a helpful service for many of our women
and pregnant patients and simple enough to set up and administer (I'm just
not sure about insurance). There certainly is a 'gap' in the market for
it. I know a few GP practices in the UK have a service and certainly many
in South Africa too."
Many thanks for any input!
Jean
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Hi all
As far as I know the iron infusions that are effective and has long lasting
effects, like ferric carboxymaltose and Cosmofer and Monofer carries a high
risk of anaphylaxis and should not be used in a private practice setting.
It should be given under hospital circumstances where the patient can be
monitored. The other option that is safe to give in a practice setting and
does not require in hospital monitoring like Rautavene (iron sucrose) is
short acting and should be used as a means to obtain symptom relief while
other options are initiated eg oral iron or as a repeated infusion.
I could be wrong and would love to hear others opinions.
Kind regards
On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 6:43 PM Jean Gallagher <
jgallagher@ranelaghmedical.ie> wrote:
Hi All,
the following query was raised by a colleague today and I'm not sure of
the answer and wondered does any practice provide iron infusions or know of
clinical reasons why not? I seem to remember anaphylaxis risk might be
high...
"I've been meaning to ask for a while. Do any of the Centric practices do
Iron tranfusions? It would be such a helpful service for many of our women
and pregnant patients and simple enough to set up and administer (I'm just
not sure about insurance). There certainly is a 'gap' in the market for
it. I know a few GP practices in the UK have a service and certainly many
in South Africa too."
Many thanks for any input!
Jean
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Hi Jean,
Looking at some UK hospital patient info sheets and the SPC at: https://www.medicines.ie/medicines/monover-100mg-ml-solution-for-injection-infusion-32932/spc#tabs it would seem onerous for the average practice. 1-2hrs of time in total (if no side effects), training and equipment for an IV infusion / risk of needing rescuc more likely than with vaccines or IM injections / identifying indications and contraindications / monitoring what dose/how often / and also that it would be a rare need in a GP practice with infrequent experience. Interested to know if any practice is doing it. Might suit a specialist centre.
From: Jean Gallagher jgallagher@ranelaghmedical.ie
Sent: Wednesday 21 September 2022 17:43
To: gpdiscussion@centricgpforum.com
Subject: Centric GP Forum Query re iron infusions?
Hi All,
the following query was raised by a colleague today and I'm not sure of the answer and wondered does any practice provide iron infusions or know of clinical reasons why not? I seem to remember anaphylaxis risk might be high...
"I've been meaning to ask for a while. Do any of the Centric practices do Iron tranfusions? It would be such a helpful service for many of our women and pregnant patients and simple enough to set up and administer (I'm just not sure about insurance). There certainly is a 'gap' in the market for it. I know a few GP practices in the UK have a service and certainly many in South Africa too."
Many thanks for any input!
Jean
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Thanks for all those answers. I will report back to the person with the query. I have to say it’s not something I’ve ever seen a need for in Ranelagh either.
Jean
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From: Mary Gray mary.gray@centrichealth.ie
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2022 8:16:07 PM
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Subject: Centric GP Forum Re: Query re iron infusions?
Hi Jean,
Looking at some UK hospital patient info sheets and the SPC at: https://www.medicines.ie/medicines/monover-100mg-ml-solution-for-injection-infusion-32932/spc#tabs it would seem onerous for the average practice. 1-2hrs of time in total (if no side effects), training and equipment for an IV infusion / risk of needing rescuc more likely than with vaccines or IM injections / identifying indications and contraindications / monitoring what dose/how often / and also that it would be a rare need in a GP practice with infrequent experience. Interested to know if any practice is doing it. Might suit a specialist centre.
From: Jean Gallagher jgallagher@ranelaghmedical.ie
Sent: Wednesday 21 September 2022 17:43
To: gpdiscussion@centricgpforum.com
Subject: Centric GP Forum Query re iron infusions?
Hi All,
the following query was raised by a colleague today and I'm not sure of the answer and wondered does any practice provide iron infusions or know of clinical reasons why not? I seem to remember anaphylaxis risk might be high...
"I've been meaning to ask for a while. Do any of the Centric practices do Iron tranfusions? It would be such a helpful service for many of our women and pregnant patients and simple enough to set up and administer (I'm just not sure about insurance). There certainly is a 'gap' in the market for it. I know a few GP practices in the UK have a service and certainly many in South Africa too."
Many thanks for any input!
Jean
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